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WGrayson7: well, i agree that "trial and error" is a pretty pessimistic name for it. and maybe that's what it is most of the time. WGrayson7: but i think the point is that it's not just try-error. WGrayson7: most of the time it's try-error-try. WGrayson7: try-error-try WGrayson7: try-error-try WGrayson7: and that's how you find it. willupleasebequiet: it? WGrayson7: you know. it . willupleasebequiet: yeah, it . willupleasebequiet: try-error-try-it WGrayson7: well...i haven't become that optimistic . Wgrayson7: it's more like try-error-try-error-try-error-try-error-try-error-try...at least fifteen more rounds...then try-error-try- it . -Will Grayson and Will Grayson, Will Grayson, Will Grayson by John Green and David Levithan.